Thanks for your typical cynicism here John, and on this topic it is completely appropriate (well, on most topics related to current political / social direction in NZ in my own cynical view...)
Any Government direction that taps into PATHA or any of the other weird and deluded trans activist deviants deserves a heap of scorn. "Gender affirming care"? What does that actually mean? It could be argued by reasonable medical folk that rare (so rare) cases exist whereby a child needs medical intervention to help them develop, but we are talking very small numbers of those who sadly are born with very uniquely unfair genitalia. It is a damn small number and probably so small that it does not need 'Government direction'. Instead we have medicos actively pushing barbaric experimental procedures onto kids who sure, are often mixed up, but the confusion is in their heads rather than in their genitals. Sex/gender is binary and so-called progressive interventions cannot create a third option. And you can stick whatever hormones you like into a kid, but that will not change their sex. What it will do most likely, is screw them up even more than they were already.
The whole nonsense is just so sad and sits in the same basket as people voting Green, supporting Hamas or joining the Hikoi - I just cannot understand how sane people are doing it. Draw whatever conclusion you will from that last statement.
From an organisation that completely misrepresented and mismanaged the Covid epidemic (slick marketing and fascist control made it a pandemic) the stance the MoH has taken on puberty blockers is totally predictable.
We need a thorough clean out of the doctors snd bureaucrats running the MoH.
I don't doubt there are individuals born who are females in a male body, and vice versa, in fact I heard an interview with a Christchurch surgeon about this some years ago, something about how the foetus is bathed in the amniotic fluid. However, in an individual's teenage years the frontal lobes of the brain - that squishy part - is still developing so individuals of that age are not able to make rational decisions (of course I'm generalising here). That's why we all fuck up in those days. Of course proceeding with extreme caution should be taken with PB, and for some "expert" to declare they are "safe" is a nonsense. Nothing is "safe". Life is not "safe". Much of these quotes from health professionals are simply word salad. Trouble is, if you come out against PBs you are accused of being a bigot.
Cheers Deborah, certainly disconcerting that much of the verbiage from the self-styled experts is internally contradictory and illogical. And no way that a teenager is capable of informed consent to being sterilised, or at least having fertility capability significantly reduced
Fair enough John. I guess I just suspect that a very small minority of people appear to genuinely want to be the opposite sex, not that that's possible.
The article is unbalanced as it doesn't address the benefits for those who have gone through a thorough clinical and medical assessment from three disciplines - endo, GP and psych - get from these drugs.
Cheers Richard, I suspect some do benefit from the puberty blockers (whether or not they transition though further drugs and/surgery). But the difficulty is that it's not possible to conduct double-blind experiments on an individual i.e. an individual may feel happier after having taken the puberty blockers, but it's impossible to know whether they would've been even happier with just psychotherapy. And the trouble with the extremists (you're certainly NOT one) is that they lie e.g. the lie that puberty blockers significantly reduce the risk of suicide. The clues with ideologues like Meredithe McNamara is that they talk in bogus science terms like sex being "assigned at birth", or Bagshaw claiming that NZ hasn't prescribed puberty blockers at any greater levels that any other comparable country. I'm not saying that these people aren't sincerely wanting body dysmorphic youths to be happier, but the BS is disconcerting, at least to me
I just knew this was going to be the outcome when I learned National minister Matt Doocey (ex Tavistock Clinic employee) gave the Hass report to NZ PATHA to evaluate.
National needs to clean the swamp big time or face extinction
My pick...National and Labour will each get about 25% of the vote in the next election. Luxon crucified his own party when he said there's nothing good in the Treaty Principles Bill. The merits of that Bill are legitimately debatable, but to say that is the utterance of a Muppet.
Thanks for your typical cynicism here John, and on this topic it is completely appropriate (well, on most topics related to current political / social direction in NZ in my own cynical view...)
Any Government direction that taps into PATHA or any of the other weird and deluded trans activist deviants deserves a heap of scorn. "Gender affirming care"? What does that actually mean? It could be argued by reasonable medical folk that rare (so rare) cases exist whereby a child needs medical intervention to help them develop, but we are talking very small numbers of those who sadly are born with very uniquely unfair genitalia. It is a damn small number and probably so small that it does not need 'Government direction'. Instead we have medicos actively pushing barbaric experimental procedures onto kids who sure, are often mixed up, but the confusion is in their heads rather than in their genitals. Sex/gender is binary and so-called progressive interventions cannot create a third option. And you can stick whatever hormones you like into a kid, but that will not change their sex. What it will do most likely, is screw them up even more than they were already.
The whole nonsense is just so sad and sits in the same basket as people voting Green, supporting Hamas or joining the Hikoi - I just cannot understand how sane people are doing it. Draw whatever conclusion you will from that last statement.
This is completely against the data
The cure to gender
dysphoria is puberty. Most children decide where they want to go sexually and settle down
Delaying or blocking it is cruel
Sexuality does not equal gender.
From an organisation that completely misrepresented and mismanaged the Covid epidemic (slick marketing and fascist control made it a pandemic) the stance the MoH has taken on puberty blockers is totally predictable.
We need a thorough clean out of the doctors snd bureaucrats running the MoH.
I don't doubt there are individuals born who are females in a male body, and vice versa, in fact I heard an interview with a Christchurch surgeon about this some years ago, something about how the foetus is bathed in the amniotic fluid. However, in an individual's teenage years the frontal lobes of the brain - that squishy part - is still developing so individuals of that age are not able to make rational decisions (of course I'm generalising here). That's why we all fuck up in those days. Of course proceeding with extreme caution should be taken with PB, and for some "expert" to declare they are "safe" is a nonsense. Nothing is "safe". Life is not "safe". Much of these quotes from health professionals are simply word salad. Trouble is, if you come out against PBs you are accused of being a bigot.
Cheers Deborah, certainly disconcerting that much of the verbiage from the self-styled experts is internally contradictory and illogical. And no way that a teenager is capable of informed consent to being sterilised, or at least having fertility capability significantly reduced
Fair enough John. I guess I just suspect that a very small minority of people appear to genuinely want to be the opposite sex, not that that's possible.
The article is unbalanced as it doesn't address the benefits for those who have gone through a thorough clinical and medical assessment from three disciplines - endo, GP and psych - get from these drugs.
Cheers Richard, I suspect some do benefit from the puberty blockers (whether or not they transition though further drugs and/surgery). But the difficulty is that it's not possible to conduct double-blind experiments on an individual i.e. an individual may feel happier after having taken the puberty blockers, but it's impossible to know whether they would've been even happier with just psychotherapy. And the trouble with the extremists (you're certainly NOT one) is that they lie e.g. the lie that puberty blockers significantly reduce the risk of suicide. The clues with ideologues like Meredithe McNamara is that they talk in bogus science terms like sex being "assigned at birth", or Bagshaw claiming that NZ hasn't prescribed puberty blockers at any greater levels that any other comparable country. I'm not saying that these people aren't sincerely wanting body dysmorphic youths to be happier, but the BS is disconcerting, at least to me
I just knew this was going to be the outcome when I learned National minister Matt Doocey (ex Tavistock Clinic employee) gave the Hass report to NZ PATHA to evaluate.
National needs to clean the swamp big time or face extinction
My pick...National and Labour will each get about 25% of the vote in the next election. Luxon crucified his own party when he said there's nothing good in the Treaty Principles Bill. The merits of that Bill are legitimately debatable, but to say that is the utterance of a Muppet.